elusiveat ([info]elusiveat) wrote,
@ 2008-04-25 14:04:00
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How to win friends and influence people? (random thoughts)
This week I'm noticing that certain acquaintances have a strong tendency to point out the positive, and to generally tell everyone: "Here's how you're awesome." In general these are people that I like, but not people that I would ever be best friends with.

I wonder a bit about how much of this is innate, and how much of it is learned. It's certainly akin to the recommendations of _How to Win Friends..._ and similar works, but I kind of suspect that the reason I see these behaviors is that they are simply more natural for these individuals. I'd like to more concretely know which way it is, but I don't know that I could determine that without asking. And if I ask, I'm not sure that I'd get a straight answer.

On certain levels I'm inclined to emulate the behavior, but I question the degree to which it would work for me, even if it works for them (which it may or may not do). It certainly is not my natural pattern, and what comes across as sincere enthusiasm from one person might feel more like manipulative flattery from another.

There's more complexity to this issue as well. Some people tend to find chipperness abrasive, and it may be the case that most people like different approaches at different times and would appreciate having a diversity of outlooks. By asking an opinion of the correct person, you can assure yourself of the type of feedback you'd like (positive or negative, sincere or less so, instinctive or dispassionate).

Perhaps the best approach is to play to one's own comparative advantage.


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[info]theloriest
2008-04-25 06:49 pm UTC (link)
I'm not quite sure how to respond to this. I am one of those people who tends to think positively of people and try to point out the positive. I figure, people get enough negativity in the world, why further it by letting it come out of me? Somebody told me that being critical and offering criticism are two very different things. I give my opinion honestly. But I try not to be critical or negative about it.

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[info]elusiveat
2008-04-25 11:44 pm UTC (link)
I'd be the first to say that I tend to think positively of other people. If there's a positive way of seeing someone's behavior, I'm pretty good at seeing it, and I think I'm also pretty good at seeing where people might be coming from (which is not to say that I'm always right, but rather that I rarely assume that people do things just because they're "stupid" or "a jerk").

What I'm talking about is how a person talks, not how they think. I've heard you make very specific criticisms, without much tempering at all. The people I'm talking about avoid criticizing others whenever possible, and when they need to provide constructive criticism, they temper it with 10 or 20 equally honest compliments. These are the kind of people who say things like "your talk was absolutely perfect, except for this one thing..." or "wow, I'm really amazed with your ability to __. The only tiny weak point is that you could adjust the way you __."

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[info]theloriest
2008-04-25 11:46 pm UTC (link)
Ahhhh. I understand that annoyance. I see where you're coming from now.

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[info]ordovician
2008-04-25 07:43 pm UTC (link)
The new owner of the cafe by my house is really charming. At first, I thought that he was intelligent, funny, and social. I still do, but he's that way with everyone, such that I have no interest in interacting with him anymore. There is something anonymous about the interactions. My housemate, who lived in CA, where the cafe owner is from himself, says that the owner is typical CA. CA's tend to be very friendly (if you're going to generalize a state), but, it is almost just part of how people act, as oppose to how they are. It seems unconscious.

Hm. So, for the most part, yeah, you can probably comfortably make "being nice" a habit. People will respond to you. They will like you a lot, and feel good around you. Just, maybe I won't?

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[info]elusiveat
2008-04-25 11:51 pm UTC (link)
This is part of what I'm getting at. My closest friends tend not to be quite so effervescent with everybody they meet.

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[info]jadia
2008-04-25 07:57 pm UTC (link)
I'm certainly socialized to try to make people feel comfortable around me. I don't really feel like I'm quite grasping what you're saying here, so I may be completely off the mark.

I think there are two issues, one is being nice and the other is being honest. The best is to be both, but if you can't, should you be nice or honest? Some people choose nice and other people choose honest.

I think being friends with someone requires honesty to some extent. You can't feel a connection to someone if you're constantly feeling like you don't know what their real opinions are. On the other hand, it's hard to be friends with someone who says honest but mean things. And the level of friendship you feel for someone isn't some binary thing - you can be good casual friends, because you know that he/she will be honest about what movies they want to go watch or something, but maybe you can't be really tight buddies because you know that he/she isn't going to really tell you what he/she thinks about abortion. Or whatever.

I guess I see what you're asking as "are these nice people being honest?" But then I don't really know how to interpret the chipperness thing, or what you mean by playing to one's own comparative advantage.

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[info]elusiveat
2008-04-25 11:49 pm UTC (link)
It's entirely possible to be perfectly honest while coming across in a range of different ways.

"I liked it." is different from "You're an absolutely amazing artist."

"You need to work on X." is different from "I can't get over how much I admire you for W, Y, Z, and R, but I think you could use a tiny bit of work on X."

I think that it's generally good for students who are new to an activity (for example) to hear supportive remarks of the latter flavor, but I find that when I'm teaching, I'm much more cautious in my proclamations. Even when I try to temper the negative with positive, they are of roughly equal weight rather than a tiny bit of negative mixed into a swimming pool of positive. Part of it is that I just don't naturally feel that kind of bounding enthusiasm, but another part of it is that I'm always fearful that I will say something untrue, and work hard to have the positive things I say be ones that I'm sure are true.

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